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	<title>Comments on: How can art practice be &#8220;Research&#8221;?</title>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
		<link>http://www.lucazoid.com/bilateral/how-can-art-practice-be-research/#comment-6246</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great thread... for me, one of the questions at the bottom of things what mayhem poses to early researchers - its not such a simple question... how we conceptualize research, and whether we can reconfigure and reconcile what it means to approach knowledge within academic parameters with what it means to approach knowledge in other experiential domains... It seems to me that another question could be what it means to revisit understanding, and how to (as you said re. Darwin) provide a path through things to understanding - not of an ultimate truth but rather of a subjective perspective on it... and another one has to do with who decides what kind of knowledge is valuable and whether people trust that... Simple questions that are tough to figure out. Even if you can't hand in an experiential thesis, you could write other pieces using the form you talked about... and help open up new paths toward different understandings of research and experience...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great thread&#8230; for me, one of the questions at the bottom of things what mayhem poses to early researchers - its not such a simple question&#8230; how we conceptualize research, and whether we can reconfigure and reconcile what it means to approach knowledge within academic parameters with what it means to approach knowledge in other experiential domains&#8230; It seems to me that another question could be what it means to revisit understanding, and how to (as you said re. Darwin) provide a path through things to understanding - not of an ultimate truth but rather of a subjective perspective on it&#8230; and another one has to do with who decides what kind of knowledge is valuable and whether people trust that&#8230; Simple questions that are tough to figure out. Even if you can&#8217;t hand in an experiential thesis, you could write other pieces using the form you talked about&#8230; and help open up new paths toward different understandings of research and experience&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mayhem</title>
		<link>http://www.lucazoid.com/bilateral/how-can-art-practice-be-research/#comment-5613</link>
		<dc:creator>mayhem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hee hee - the great sham escape... As I used to say as a way f calming my nerves in week 1 lectures - "what is research?".... then after extensive student based participation exercises I'd start playing with etymology and give 'em a rant. I't filled the 3 hours quite nicely... but...err... re - search involves a repetition, a movement back, a refinding - and something refractory. If art is an experiential becoming - an intensely imminent maping or discovery - then art as research allow a communication/translation of that discovery in terms where it may be replicated. Maybe my science training is still haunting me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hee hee - the great sham escape&#8230; As I used to say as a way f calming my nerves in week 1 lectures - &#8220;what is research?&#8221;&#8230;. then after extensive student based participation exercises I&#8217;d start playing with etymology and give &#8216;em a rant. I&#8217;t filled the 3 hours quite nicely&#8230; but&#8230;err&#8230; re - search involves a repetition, a movement back, a refinding - and something refractory. If art is an experiential becoming - an intensely imminent maping or discovery - then art as research allow a communication/translation of that discovery in terms where it may be replicated. Maybe my science training is still haunting me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.lucazoid.com/bilateral/how-can-art-practice-be-research/#comment-5557</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucas. It can become easy to doubt in the wilderness of the academy. But I don't see a problem with your work in that framework, clearly the blog is the expression of the work and acts as that and the thesis at the same time, because that is the point of your whole research question I would have thought. Love the pennant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucas. It can become easy to doubt in the wilderness of the academy. But I don&#8217;t see a problem with your work in that framework, clearly the blog is the expression of the work and acts as that and the thesis at the same time, because that is the point of your whole research question I would have thought. Love the pennant.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas</title>
		<link>http://www.lucazoid.com/bilateral/how-can-art-practice-be-research/#comment-5549</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 03:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lauren
thanks for your encouraging words. You're right of course. To an extent, I have really enjoyed this "hoop" I've had to jump through, learning to write in another language (the academic). 

the image of my mate Chris handing in the stinking head of a withdrawing addict as his thesis made me crack up. It reminded me of an essay I read by Bruno Latour called "visualisation and cognition - thinking with eyes and hands" or something to that effect. He writes about Darwin's amazing voyages. Apparently Darwin returned from his travels with shedloads of botanical and animal specimens. These specimens alone were not enough to prove to the world his theory of evolution. He had to create a pathway through them, pointing to this one and that one, weaving them together so a convincing story was told which led to the idea of evolution. He did this through writing. 

Mayhem, thanks for laying out two sides of the argument, each equally convinciongly, in two separate comments. Reminds me of your keen participation in the "great escape" scenario in The Sham (your classic phrase "fam or sham" which I have laughed over so many times).

I agree that academic writing is a kind of composition. Thanks for reminding me of that. It's mainly this idea of thinking of art as "research" and the drive for the generation of "knowledge" that are stumping me... How much is sufficient to present as a contribution to knowledge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lauren<br />
thanks for your encouraging words. You&#8217;re right of course. To an extent, I have really enjoyed this &#8220;hoop&#8221; I&#8217;ve had to jump through, learning to write in another language (the academic). </p>
<p>the image of my mate Chris handing in the stinking head of a withdrawing addict as his thesis made me crack up. It reminded me of an essay I read by Bruno Latour called &#8220;visualisation and cognition - thinking with eyes and hands&#8221; or something to that effect. He writes about Darwin&#8217;s amazing voyages. Apparently Darwin returned from his travels with shedloads of botanical and animal specimens. These specimens alone were not enough to prove to the world his theory of evolution. He had to create a pathway through them, pointing to this one and that one, weaving them together so a convincing story was told which led to the idea of evolution. He did this through writing. </p>
<p>Mayhem, thanks for laying out two sides of the argument, each equally convinciongly, in two separate comments. Reminds me of your keen participation in the &#8220;great escape&#8221; scenario in The Sham (your classic phrase &#8220;fam or sham&#8221; which I have laughed over so many times).</p>
<p>I agree that academic writing is a kind of composition. Thanks for reminding me of that. It&#8217;s mainly this idea of thinking of art as &#8220;research&#8221; and the drive for the generation of &#8220;knowledge&#8221; that are stumping me&#8230; How much is sufficient to present as a contribution to knowledge?</p>
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		<title>By: lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.lucazoid.com/bilateral/how-can-art-practice-be-research/#comment-5513</link>
		<dc:creator>lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as much as i would totally love to see your thesis with a bunch of hyperlinks, html formatting tags, "600px width, 400px height" pics and the date at the top of every page, accessible only with capcha, something mayhem mentioned struck me about this whole research/practice 'divide. 

your mate chris wouldn't hand to his supervisors a halitosis-breathing, twitching, screaming ice head as his thesis -  as much time as he's spent with the likes of them (and as excellent example as she/he would be of the symptoms of withdrawl). he hands in a 80,000-word break-down of the whole process, findings etc, etc, etc.

and maybe it's the same for bilateral - while blogging appears to take the form of the thesis (in its use of words/language/text/etc) and would make an excellent example, the point of a thesis (she says, currently thesis-less) seems to be to detach from the research (practice) and discuss it, in written form. not an easy job.

plus -  given that, on your mission which you have chosen to accept, you have to simultaneously blog, as an element of art practice, in one form of writing AND remove yourself from that process/style/rhythm of writing and develop an exegesis critiquing that process/style/rhythm in another form of writing. all while keeping your head in some kind of order. or not.

i'd say your PhD is much more difficult than Chris'. He just has to be a pharmacologist and a writer. You, however, have to be a writer A AND a writer B and NOT a writer B when you're being a writer A (and of course vice versa). infinitely more difficult.

having said all that, of course you're going to kick arse and please keep posting your 'notes' on here - they're awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as much as i would totally love to see your thesis with a bunch of hyperlinks, html formatting tags, &#8220;600px width, 400px height&#8221; pics and the date at the top of every page, accessible only with capcha, something mayhem mentioned struck me about this whole research/practice &#8216;divide. </p>
<p>your mate chris wouldn&#8217;t hand to his supervisors a halitosis-breathing, twitching, screaming ice head as his thesis -  as much time as he&#8217;s spent with the likes of them (and as excellent example as she/he would be of the symptoms of withdrawl). he hands in a 80,000-word break-down of the whole process, findings etc, etc, etc.</p>
<p>and maybe it&#8217;s the same for bilateral - while blogging appears to take the form of the thesis (in its use of words/language/text/etc) and would make an excellent example, the point of a thesis (she says, currently thesis-less) seems to be to detach from the research (practice) and discuss it, in written form. not an easy job.</p>
<p>plus -  given that, on your mission which you have chosen to accept, you have to simultaneously blog, as an element of art practice, in one form of writing AND remove yourself from that process/style/rhythm of writing and develop an exegesis critiquing that process/style/rhythm in another form of writing. all while keeping your head in some kind of order. or not.</p>
<p>i&#8217;d say your PhD is much more difficult than Chris&#8217;. He just has to be a pharmacologist and a writer. You, however, have to be a writer A AND a writer B and NOT a writer B when you&#8217;re being a writer A (and of course vice versa). infinitely more difficult.</p>
<p>having said all that, of course you&#8217;re going to kick arse and please keep posting your &#8216;notes&#8217; on here - they&#8217;re awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: mayhem</title>
		<link>http://www.lucazoid.com/bilateral/how-can-art-practice-be-research/#comment-5503</link>
		<dc:creator>mayhem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 05:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm - I was thinking "monstrous knowledges: doing PhD's in the new humanities" by Bob Hodge - it might be worth a look. I think the thing is with a practice-based dissertation - is that most practitioners do treat it as a type of report - separate from their praxis.... and - from what I can tell - art colleges seem to be more hardcore or rigid about the types of documentation that they accept as credible dissertations - than some university departments which encourage open ended types of written enquiry. Hell! I reckon you should go for the blog posting idea - is it will fuse theory and practice- just attach a bloody good lit review and some nice arguments about why you're doing it this way, and cross fingers that you have some nice markers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm - I was thinking &#8220;monstrous knowledges: doing PhD&#8217;s in the new humanities&#8221; by Bob Hodge - it might be worth a look. I think the thing is with a practice-based dissertation - is that most practitioners do treat it as a type of report - separate from their praxis&#8230;. and - from what I can tell - art colleges seem to be more hardcore or rigid about the types of documentation that they accept as credible dissertations - than some university departments which encourage open ended types of written enquiry. Hell! I reckon you should go for the blog posting idea - is it will fuse theory and practice- just attach a bloody good lit review and some nice arguments about why you&#8217;re doing it this way, and cross fingers that you have some nice markers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mayhem</title>
		<link>http://www.lucazoid.com/bilateral/how-can-art-practice-be-research/#comment-5501</link>
		<dc:creator>mayhem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 04:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Argh! Lucazoid - such a thoughtful way of going through the standard ARGGGHHHHH SHIT of writing. I'd like to recommend your supervisor's book "practice as Research" but maybe you don't want to read her stuff right now (though I did force my research students to read "the exegesis as meme").... I've found in my own immense research project - something akin to scientific experimentation - but far closer to my experience of painting. I'd still insist on a clear difference between the research phase and the writing phase of any investigative practice. Research is an immersive experience of encounter and discovery - whereas the writing... is not actually some sort of predetermined knuckling down report - but actually is a very intense, pretty open ended type of.... how would I call it - a composition? I've had to enter into the imaginative space of thesis writing with the same level of trust and good faith as I have with all of the experiential practice and ethnographic research that informed it... and I hate to sound like such a formalist - but to a certain extend the refractory space of writing - of having no other expressive means - but this rather contrived format of an authored thesis has enabled a whole heap of other connections and possibilities to emerge... so good luck, and drop me a line if you want to bounce of any ideas or angst.... Love your work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argh! Lucazoid - such a thoughtful way of going through the standard ARGGGHHHHH SHIT of writing. I&#8217;d like to recommend your supervisor&#8217;s book &#8220;practice as Research&#8221; but maybe you don&#8217;t want to read her stuff right now (though I did force my research students to read &#8220;the exegesis as meme&#8221;)&#8230;. I&#8217;ve found in my own immense research project - something akin to scientific experimentation - but far closer to my experience of painting. I&#8217;d still insist on a clear difference between the research phase and the writing phase of any investigative practice. Research is an immersive experience of encounter and discovery - whereas the writing&#8230; is not actually some sort of predetermined knuckling down report - but actually is a very intense, pretty open ended type of&#8230;. how would I call it - a composition? I&#8217;ve had to enter into the imaginative space of thesis writing with the same level of trust and good faith as I have with all of the experiential practice and ethnographic research that informed it&#8230; and I hate to sound like such a formalist - but to a certain extend the refractory space of writing - of having no other expressive means - but this rather contrived format of an authored thesis has enabled a whole heap of other connections and possibilities to emerge&#8230; so good luck, and drop me a line if you want to bounce of any ideas or angst&#8230;. Love your work!</p>
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